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#1 KoriFee

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Posted 25 May 2016 - 04:10 PM

Hey could we get an extra thread for it ?

And can you finally minimize the reduce in WoE TE, thanks for the rentable items, u are able to reach 100% demi human reduce !!!

1 shoes (battleground)
30 Shield (thara card)
10 accessories (rentable accessories from the TE NPC)
11 Helm (jeje cap)
5 middle head (rainbow star)
3 lower head (hankerchief in mouth)
10 weapon (combat knife)
15 Armor (rentable accessories from the TE NPC and only for Swordman/Merchant class, 10 for any other class)
10 Manteau (fallen angel wings, even tho most ppl think its disabled, it works ! and is for lv 99 chars)
5 Custom (amistr bag/cap)

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100% demi human reduce


my solution was, the rentable items only work in the combo with each other, so u cant combine them with regular equip - but what ever the solution is, you have to change it, TE stands for "Trainings Edition" but even with uber equipment, you cant harm someone with 100% reduce.

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Posted 25 May 2016 - 04:25 PM

Maybe just cap demi human reduce to ~60% or so. Its a bit sad that WoE TE is kinda dead atm since its the most balanced WoE with cheap equip and everyone on the same lvl :(

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Posted 25 May 2016 - 05:19 PM

View PostKoriFee, on 25 May 2016 - 04:10 PM, said:

Hey could we get an extra thread for it ?

-1% Demi human shoes (battleground)
-30% Demi human Shield (thara card)
-10% Players accessories (rentable accessories from the TE NPC)
-11% Demi human Helm (jeje cap)
-5% Demi human middle head (rainbow star)
-3% Demi human lower head (hankerchief in mouth)
-10% Demi human weapon (combat knife)
-15% Players (rentable accessories from the TE NPC and only for Swordman/Merchant class, 10 for any other class)
-10% Demi human Manteau (fallen angel wings, even tho most ppl think its disabled, it works ! and is for lv 99 chars)
-5% Players Custom (amistr bag/cap)

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-30% Players = x 0.7
-70% Demi Human = x 0.3
0.7 x 0.3 = 0.21
-79%

For example Homonculus Lif is Demi-human however Lif isn't a Player ... -70%
Mercenaries are demi-humans but not players -70%
and later Dorams are players but not demi-human -30% (brute)

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Posted 25 May 2016 - 06:05 PM

View PostZantetsuken, on 25 May 2016 - 05:19 PM, said:

For example Homonculus Lif is Demi-human however Lif isn't a Player ... -70%
Mercenaries are demi-humans but not players -70%
and later Dorams are players but not demi-human -30% (brute)

if you miss someone WITH EVERY ATTACK, with that % , there is still something wrong, even its only "79%" - i asked GM Serish and he said, only if u do massive dmg, u can overcome that obsitcale, but who is capable of reaching that ?

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Posted 25 May 2016 - 07:34 PM

@ Zantetsuken (and skeptical people):

Player or Demi Human, it's the same resistance.
Probably a translation mistake or so, but the resistances stack so yes, you can reach 100% resistance.

Just try it at PVP, you'll see by yourself.
Even G-Fist (lexed) on a 100% Human Resistance deal 0 damage.
And it works against physical but also magical attack (for exemple, SG will not hit the target, free GTB effect for some skills).

Funny part is let's say a Knight with 100% resist vs a RK lvl 150 (or more):
the RK will spam Dragon Breath like a fool but will not be able to kill the "little" Knight because DB will deal 0 damage (thanks to the new DB formula ^^)
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#6 KoriFee

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Posted 25 May 2016 - 07:42 PM

View PostLaxus, on 25 May 2016 - 07:34 PM, said:

@ Zantetsuken (and skeptical people):

Player or Demi Human, it's the same resistance.
Probably a translation mistake or so, but the resistance stack so yes, you can reach 100% resistance.

Just try at PVP, you'll see by yourself.
Even G-Fist (lexed) on a 100% Human Resistance deal 0 damage.
And it works against physical but also magical attack (for exemple, SG will not hit the target, free GTB effect).

Funny part is let's say a Knight with 100% resist vs a RK lvl 150 (or more):
the RK will spam Dragon Breath like a fool but will not be able to kill the "little" Knight because DB will deal 0 damage (thanks to the new DB formula ^^)

i knew/thought that myself, it kinda has to, since u make zero dmg, i would understand if u do 1 dmg or at least hit him (since u dont see the dmg in WoE), but 100% reduce is miss, best example is the banshees master kiss, the second it triggers u miss.

But i did not test it enough do argue against it.

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Posted 25 May 2016 - 08:13 PM

View PostLaxus, on 25 May 2016 - 07:34 PM, said:

Player or Demi Human, it's the same resistance.

Well... That sentence is wrong. At least partially.

Since some years "player" exists besides demi-human. It is not "the same" but most equipments that are for/against demi-human are also for/against player. They have the script for both. But if one equipment would have only Player and the other only Demi-Human it wouldn't "stack".

But yes, a (way to) high player resistance is possible in TE [my personal view] right now. I already made some suggestions to perform certain changes (indeed, making certain equips only work as a set would be the easiest solution I guess) but as of now I can't tell you if or when it will be changed.
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Posted 25 May 2016 - 08:28 PM

Why not just simply removing the Player script from Demi Human gears ?

1 race, 1 element or 1 size = 1 script

Don't mix them...
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Posted 25 May 2016 - 08:39 PM

Well, what are "Demi Human" Gears then? ^^ Thara Frog? RWC Hat? KvM Weapons? Whatever decision would be made there it wouldn't be good.
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Posted 25 May 2016 - 08:50 PM

All Human gears who have 2 different scripts ofc.

I really don't get it, if Player and Demi Human are 2 different races, so why 1/2 Human should have a second script for Players ??

And plz pretty plz, don't tell me it's because Player are Demi Human...
Otherwhise Player are also Medium so why not put Player's script into Medium size gears ?? (i hope it's not already the case even if it'll not change anything i guess xdd).

The point is 1 race should have only 1 script, same for element or size.
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Posted 25 May 2016 - 08:56 PM

View PostGM Serish, on 25 May 2016 - 08:13 PM, said:

Well... That sentence is wrong. At least partially.

Since some years "player" exists besides demi-human. It is not "the same" but most equipments that are for/against demi-human are also for/against player. They have the script for both. But if one equipment would have only Player and the other only Demi-Human it wouldn't "stack".

But yes, a (way to) high player resistance is possible in TE [my personal view] right now. I already made some suggestions to perform certain changes (indeed, making certain equips only work as a set would be the easiest solution I guess) but as of now I can't tell you if or when it will be changed.

I talked about this with you for like 4 weeks or longer, i know its not your decision or u dont have to power to change it - i just wanted to inform more ppl about this issue, so FRo sees there is an issue and we have to fix it, because i think WoE TE is not a top priority. All i want is, that the word gets out !

And if u fix this issue, maybe u can change the fallen angel wings back to lv 1.

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Posted 25 May 2016 - 08:58 PM

View PostLaxus, on 25 May 2016 - 08:50 PM, said:

All Human gears who have 2 different scripts ofc.

I really don't get it, if Player and Demi Human are 2 different races, so why 1/2 Human should have a second script for Players ??

And plz pretty plz, don't tell me it's because Player are Demi Human...
Otherwhise Player are also Medium so why not put Player's script into Medium size gears ?? (i hope it's not already the case even if it'll not change anything i guess xdd).

The point is 1 race should have only 1 script, same for element or size.

Nearly all equips have both scripts by Korea. 1 race has only 1 script but 1 equip can work for 2 races ;)
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Posted 28 May 2016 - 04:06 PM

We made a lil vid to show how ridiculous the current reduce is:

https://www.youtube....eature=youtu.be

(excact 100% reduce)

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Posted 28 May 2016 - 04:10 PM

View PostLaxus, on 25 May 2016 - 07:34 PM, said:

@ Zantetsuken (and skeptical people):

Player or Demi Human, it's the same resistance.
Probably a translation mistake or so, but the resistances stack so yes, you can reach 100% resistance.

Just try it at PVP, you'll see by yourself.
Even G-Fist (lexed) on a 100% Human Resistance deal 0 damage.
And it works against physical but also magical attack (for exemple, SG will not hit the target, free GTB effect for some skills).

Funny part is let's say a Knight with 100% resist vs a RK lvl 150 (or more):
the RK will spam Dragon Breath like a fool but will not be able to kill the "little" Knight because DB will deal 0 damage (thanks to the new DB formula ^^)

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#15 KoriFee

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Posted 30 May 2016 - 12:18 PM

This needs to be fixed !! It was too long this way !!

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Posted 04 June 2016 - 05:19 PM

TE Woe broken? Will not be today ?
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Posted 04 June 2016 - 05:23 PM

What is not broken here? :D

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Posted 04 June 2016 - 05:24 PM

No WoE TE??? -.-'.....
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Posted 04 June 2016 - 06:23 PM

I'll try to see if I can do something about this, but if I do I'll have to restart the server
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Posted 04 June 2016 - 06:54 PM

There was also a problem for tomorrow's WoE so I'll restart the server and hopefully fix everything, sorry for the inconveniance
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