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#1 Fuzzy.

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Posted 22 November 2017 - 02:12 AM

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Belgium says loot boxes are gambling, wants them banned in Europe
http://www.pcgamer.c...nned-in-europe/

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Geens, according to the report, wants to ban in-game purchases outright (correction: if you don't know exactly what you're purchasing), and not just in Belgium: He said the process will take time, "because we have to go to Europe. We will certainly try to ban it."


Would finally be another improvement to the game imo.
But let's wait and see what happens.
Paying cash for random loot boxes has always been a thorn in my eye.

Also hope Whybe has an eye on this so they don't get sued to oblivion and have to close their services in case / when those laws come.
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Posted 22 November 2017 - 05:52 AM

Finally!
Someone with a brain.

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"Mixing gambling and gaming, especially at a young age, is dangerous for the mental health of the child."

Just because of this it should be banned.

This kind of "random price" is a open door to Gambling addiction, a real serious problem in our society.
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Posted 22 November 2017 - 08:29 AM

 Laxus, on 22 November 2017 - 05:52 AM, said:


This kind of "random price" is a open door to Gambling addiction, a real serious problem in our society.

It's the same for the npc upragde or enchant system ... your trade real money for a "random upgrade".
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Posted 22 November 2017 - 09:00 AM

I am not agree.
What really is missing is the % of the drop
We should know the % in which we are investing

But everything in Ragnarok is random
Even the drop of a card
We cannot play in a different way.
There is no way to complain about the gambling
Have fun
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Posted 22 November 2017 - 09:07 AM

 Egy, on 22 November 2017 - 09:00 AM, said:

I am not agree.
What really is missing is the % of the drop
We should know the % in which we are investing

But everything in Ragnarok is random
Even the drop of a card
We cannot play in a different way.
There is no way to complain about the gambling
Have fun
Egy

You cant compare card Drops to Ishop randoms Boxes. You dont have to pay 3-5 Euro per Monster you kill for a card.

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Posted 22 November 2017 - 01:05 PM

I don’t know...
Anyhow what I really miss is the rate (%) of success
( I mean in ambernite)
And the safe of the process ( % increased!! -> is real?)
With those two point clear I think should be there no complain.
Or do you think would be better an option like:
If u pay 5€ u get a +9 refine deed
If u pay 50€ u get a forge emblem
Etc etc...
I prefer like it is now

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Posted 22 November 2017 - 01:30 PM

 Egy, on 22 November 2017 - 01:05 PM, said:

I don’t know...
Anyhow what I really miss is the rate (%) of success
( I mean in ambernite)
And the safe of the process ( % increased!! -> is real?)
With those two point clear I think should be there no complain.
Or do you think would be better an option like:
If u pay 5€ u get a +9 refine deed
If u pay 50€ u get a forge emblem
Etc etc...
I prefer like it is now
Extremely good point, the main problem is that officially you only know that you know nothing.

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Posted 22 November 2017 - 03:12 PM

 Fuzzy., on 22 November 2017 - 02:12 AM, said:

Would finally be another improvement to the game imo.

Having this server shut down due to considerably lower revenue for WhyBe isn't exactly an improvement of the gaming experience in my humble opinion. That's the other side of the coin - literally.

Regarding knowing the chances.. that would be nice but not change the fact that it's still gambling. There would still be people who win two +9 Deeds with 10 Pearls while others spend 100 and win none, and people opening bug report threads because they had a 98.5% chance to win a +9 Deed after spending 42 pearls and still not winning one.
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Posted 22 November 2017 - 07:28 PM

This...
People are panicking about something that isn't to 100% sure...
But regarding this : why not make it pay to win at this point?
In my opinion I don't even care anymore...
People should use their money on what they want, period.

But really... they should remove all possible "prepaid or phone options" because these do the gambling option for younger audiences
Also, limiting the use of a "PayPal ID" to 50 euros per month would work the same pace...

And regarding a pay to win factor : stop items being resellable to players that come from the ishop / ambernite
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Posted 22 November 2017 - 09:57 PM

There are a few games out there that are f2p and don't make use of this paid gambling stuff.

For example they offer all the equipment through ingame activities, but alternatively a direct buy method, but also the same item with different skins as buy only.
Like let's say, you can get the Brown beanie ingame, or buy it, but pink, blue,... beanie can only be bought for karat.
But also some stuff can and should stay iShop only, like exp bosst, stat reset etc. It's not that everything has to be evailable for free to everyone, just no more RNG.

Items like forge emblems will become difficult to distribute then, sure. But is this a bad thing? (for whybe probably yes)
Dunno, but make it like a level 175/60 reward and some soul stones maybe. So it's not easy to farm, costs money and is still accessible.

Something else, that these games do are packs. It's also what the old euRO did. Probably doesn't need much explanation.
They're also already doing that here, but only on steam: Starter Pack / Elite Pack. Those things could easily just become iShop Boxes with all the items inside.
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Posted 23 November 2017 - 01:38 AM

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Posted 26 November 2017 - 03:46 AM

easy way around this, if you donate money to the server, you get boxes / pearls for free as a thank you...
i'm no lawyer but i am quite sure you could pull something like this.

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Posted 26 November 2017 - 05:19 PM

View PostJamesWindsor, on 26 November 2017 - 03:46 AM, said:

easy way around this, if you donate money to the server, you get boxes / pearls for free as a thank you...
i'm no lawyer but i am quite sure you could pull something like this.

No, that wouldnt work.

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Posted 26 November 2017 - 05:51 PM

View PostYlidia, on 26 November 2017 - 05:19 PM, said:

No, that wouldnt work.

Why not?, its not gambling if its for free though,i mean you would willingly donate to the server without any expectations of rewards and they would be so grateful that they would give some loot boxes as a thank you, how would this count as gambling?

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Posted 26 November 2017 - 05:55 PM

More end-of-the world-talk please, the world needs more drama.
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Posted 26 November 2017 - 07:15 PM

View PostJamesWindsor, on 26 November 2017 - 05:51 PM, said:

Why not?, its not gambling if its for free though,i mean you would willingly donate to the server without any expectations of rewards and they would be so grateful that they would give some loot boxes as a thank you, how would this count as gambling?

It would count as a normal deal.

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Posted 26 November 2017 - 10:58 PM

Generally it would, but if you explicitly name it some other way, it will be labeled differently. Legal mumbo-jumbo works that way in much more serious cases too.

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Posted 27 November 2017 - 07:50 PM

Im just thinking since people get away with all kinds of stuff all the time by changing a few things to find a loop hole, im quite sure Whybe could pull sometihng on that level to be able to keep making money.Posted Image

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Posted 27 November 2017 - 11:17 PM

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(inb4: I am not in any way supporting the random coughcoughscamcoughcough boxes - this is just a prediction)
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